Jeremy "Dream" Thomas -> Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: 9,9,4,2,9,4,

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: His jaw sets slightly, and he looks at Andrew for a good five or six seconds, before looking away, nodding. "Of course. I'll be happy to toe the line."

Andrew Fisher: And you will do that how?

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: "By following the Litany, of course."

Andrew Fisher: To the letter?

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: "To the punctuation. And believe me..." He looks back up, his eyes bright and unwavering. The wall is down. "...I would never do anything I felt was not Gaia's will. Not while under my own control, anyway."

Andrew Fisher: *he nods at this* I believe you Dream. Good. No more secret midnight liasons with Wyrmspawn then.

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas -> Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: 8,7,5,3,4,7,

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: He's right to his feet, staring the man down. Despite the half a foot of height difference, there's no fear in Dream's stance. "Wyrmspawn can't enter the Park, Andrew. They don't care about people. They seek to corrupt and destroy, and ruin everything and everyone in existance." He stares at the man, defiant. "I think I've got a pretty good handle on what's a Wyrmspawn and what isn't. And I would never associate with someone who fits any of those qualifications."

Andrew Fisher: So you think that the person has to be overt in it's actions to be a Wyrmspawn? Did you not stop to think that the Wyrm is at it's most dangerous when it is subtle? When it comes from those we least expect? *arms crossed, eyes locked on the other man* You seem very ready to stand up against your own kind over this. The Wyrm would be very proud.

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: "No, of course I don't think the Wyrm has to be overt. It's most devious when it's at it's subtlest." His jaw twitches a little. "I know this. I saw this, over the past month. I did it. To a LOT of people. But I also don't think that what can amount to an unfortunate twist of fate damns you eternally. I believe in redemption. I've seen a Caern Elder, not here, but elsewhere, in the throes of the Wyrm, subtle to the point that no one notice. I've felt it's effects. And I've also seen many people improperly labeled corrupt. And I've seen actual, Tainted people, do more for Gaia then anyone I've ever known. It's not about the stain on their souls. It's about what they're doing to get it off."

Andrew Fisher: *He thinks about this and nods* Yes, it is. But would you rather stand with them, or with us? I need to know where EXACTLY your loyalties lie Dream. We have a good thing going here. The most organization and pride and commitment I have seen since I arrived in this city. I will not jeopardize it. For anyone. Laidan trusts you implicitly, and that colors her view of you. I, barely know you, so I look at actions and behaviors rather than what I am told. So tell me Dream. Where do you stand? What is most important to you? WHO is most important to you?

Andrew Fisher: ((EXACTLY where your loyalties))

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas -> Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: 8,7,4,9,6,7,

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: "I stand against the Wyrm, Andrew. I stand against it and everything it's trying to do to this world. I stand alongside everyone who fights the Wyrm, both within and without." He's barely even blinked yet. "I agree with you, there's a good thing going here right now. What's most important to me is the people around me, around this city...those who need protecting. Those who need saving. The people that are threatened by the Wyrm. This Sept. And no, not necessarily in that order." His gaze doesn't leave Andrew's, his conviction flaring in them. "But most importantly, it's doing the right thing. By Gaia. And that, I've always done. Besides the last month."

Andrew Fisher: Then open your eyes Dream. This treaty is in place to make us focus on our own larger problems rather than on only the Vampires. BUT, just because it is there does not mean they are our friends and closest allies. We allow them to exist. We work with them MAYBE, but not very often. But they do not become our friends. They are still the enemy Dream. If they realize it or not, accept it or not, they are still Wyrmspawn. And yes, good people are affected, and good people are tainted. But that does not change the fact that they are of the Wyrm. A good heart and soul trapped in the body of a Wyrmspawn deserves to be freed, not accepted and allowed to exist. Eventually, they WILL turn to the Wyrm and embrace it. *looks the proud man over* When this battle we face is all over, I believe Laidan and I will have something to talk to you about.

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: He pauses, and looks at Andrew. "And what about Banes? Are they Wyrmspawn, Andrew?" Leading question? Damn skippy. Someone's making a point.

Andrew Fisher: *replies honestly* I am not a Theurge any more Dream. But as far as I understand it, they are spirits that are the servants of the Wyrm and are the greatest of our enemies. But, they are also spirits. They are not flesh and blood humans.

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: "Because back in my old Sept, there was an Elder there. A Theurge. Pretty damn powerful one, too." He nods. "He had this Gift, granted by Gaia. Could turn a Bane into a Naturae. Saw it once...it was incredible. Now, if a creature that was never existed for any purpose other then to serve the Wyrm can be turned to Gaia's side, why do you find it so hard to believe that a creature who did once exist on it's own, outside of the service of the Wyrm and was corrupted, can strive to come back to Her good graces? And yes, they're spirits. Made with one single, driving purpose, with no other one then that. Wyrm, Weaver, Gaia. They have no other inclination. Which means humans, who are not created specifically with one purpose, should still have a choice. Particularly if HOW they became of the Wyrm had nothing to do with them."

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: ((should still have a choice = should be even more likely to have a choice. Gaah.))

Andrew Fisher: What makes you think that I don't think they can WANT to be back? You find me a way to cleanse a Vampire of what makes them a leech and I will be the first one there cheering you on to get it done. You find a gift that does it and we are all there. But good intentions mean nothing to me Dream. They are still Wyrmspawn. That is fact. Now, let me ask of you a question. And you do not have to answer it now, but it will show exactly where you stand. If the treaty ended right now. And we went forth to destroy the Wyrmspawn and release the pure souls back to Gaia. Where would you stand Dream? What would you do?

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: "I will answer that right now." He sets his jaw, staring at him hard. Anger flaring in his eyes. "If the treaty ended. Right now. And we all got up and headed out and went out to kill every last Wyrmspawn in the city. I would be there, doing it. And praying to Gaia that she got away. And if she didn't, then it wasn't Gaia's will. If she did...then it WAS Gaia's will. You yourself said it, Andrew. Everything happens for a reason."

Andrew Fisher: *a long considering pause, the calm expression has never changed throughout this* Thank you Dream. That is what I wanted to know. Just keep that in mind Dream. You may face that decision one day. I ask one thing from you. Until you face the Elders, do nothing that makes it seem like you still have ANY ties with the Wyrm. Please.

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: He finally, FINALLY closes his eyes. Weariness takes him, and he looks about ready to topple, his energy sapped by the strength of his convictions, the adrenaline gone. "Fine. I will, as I said, toe the line. To the fuckin' punctuation." He shakes his head, sighing deeply. He goes for another cigarette. The old one's long dead.

Andrew Fisher: *a hint of a smile* Myself, Laidan, Discard, and you. At least, that is my plan. I just added you. Have to talk with Laidan, but like I said, I am sure she will agree.

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: His fingers run over the beads. "Yeah, so I gathered. I think she'll agree to it." A faint smile, before he takes a drag of his cigarette.

Andrew Fisher: *he nods* Feel better now that that is over with?

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: He considers a moment. "About you? Yes. In general?" He shrugs. "When the numbness goes away in about a decade, I'll let you know how much this helped."

Andrew Fisher: *thinks about that* Five years. Maybe six.

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: He shrugs, nodding. "Ooh, half the time. Score."

Andrew Fisher: Hey, it's how long it took me. *a faint chuckle* But Laidan won't let it go that long. She's a determined one.

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: He nods. "I know she is. Who know that letting someone crash at your pad for a few weeks would have such an great perk?"

Andrew Fisher: *a tender smile crosses the mans face, it is obvious he holds a special place for the little blind one* It took less than that for me. I cannot imagine the treatment you are gonna get my friend. *glances around* I should get home. Thank you for your candor Dream.

Jeremy "Dream" Thomas: He nods to Andrew. "Good day, Andrew. And thank you for coming to me, not to them."

Andrew Fisher: *he looks at the man* It is not something that needed their attention Dream. I do not question your loyalties. I do believe in you and that you are free. It was not for any others to know of. That is why I did not bring it up before now. *a nod* Good day Dream. Take care. *he turns and starts away*